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Hello. I'm Alain from France. I'm currently building the real Surprise. A kit-bashing build based on AL's kit and the plan draught by John Marshall during her refit at Deptford in February 1798. Upper deck: URL=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=724378S05.jpg]  [/URL] Traditional French great cabin floor. 250 mahogany "shuttles"(of a loom). URL=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=908930S03.jpg]  [/URL] Upper works in sapelli strips.Frame thickness divided by two. URL=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=461472S03.jpg]  [/URL] URL=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=780502S08t.jpg]  [/URL]
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Alain Welcome to the forum. That looks a very nice build so far and also a very involved one. I hope your build continues well and look forward to more of your updates as the Surprise is a favourite of mind and on my shopping list. Happy Modelling
BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower SUBSCRIPTION COMPLETE (Awaiting building): USS Constitution, Sovereign of the Seas, 1:200 Bismarck (Hachette) COMPLETED: Porsche 911, E-Type Jaguar, Lam Countach
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 Hi Alain and welcome to the forum  looking forward to seeing your build Rgd Martyn Building ? Completed. Soliei Royal . Sovereign of the Seas . Virginia . Scotland . San Felipe . Corel vasa , Santisima Trinadad X section , Vasa Next Build ? When sailors have good wine, They think themselves in heaven for the time. John Baltharpe
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Welcome to the forum Looking forward to more of this build, it`s looking good so far. Regards delboy271155 (Derek) COME BACK GUY FAWKES "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU"
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Thank you guys. Let's go on! Hull planking.  The great cabin floor. The unplanked square (aft) is for tiller head cover.  Gun port frames in boxwood.  Wale planking in ebony strips. Two layers. URL=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=357696S44.jpg]  [/URL] Upper works replanking in boxwood and ebony.  To be cont'd
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Very neat work on the planking indeed. Happy Modelling
BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower SUBSCRIPTION COMPLETE (Awaiting building): USS Constitution, Sovereign of the Seas, 1:200 Bismarck (Hachette) COMPLETED: Porsche 911, E-Type Jaguar, Lam Countach
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Very Nice, Well the Surprise was originally a french ship. Which flag will yours be flying? ________________________________________________________________________________________ Built Mare Nostrum Google Photo AlbumMatelot (ˈmætləʊ) , Matlo or Matlow noun (Nautical Terms) slang chiefly Brit - a sailor
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The original being L'Unite which bares little resemblance to A/Ls Surprise. There are so many variations of this ship it is hard to find any true likeness. But every model built of her is correct in many ways and is truly a work of art. Loving the way you are changing yours Alain. Thanks for sharing... One pointer though please could you post slightly smaller/lower res pictures. As it plays havoc with viewing the posts correctly. Many Thanks Chris  On the bench 1/350 Revell Tirpitz Platinum Edition (Pontos PE and Wooden deck) plus extra Eduard PE set and extra MK1 door sets.
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magpie1832 wrote:The original being L'Unite which bares little resemblance to A/Ls Surprise. There are so many variations of this ship it is hard to find any true likeness. But every model built of her is correct in many ways and is truly a work of art. Loving the way you are changing yours Alain. Thanks for sharing... One pointer though please could you post slightly smaller/lower res pictures. As it plays havoc with viewing the posts correctly. Many Thanks Chris  My sentiments exactly with the configurations. It's much more important that they are accurate to the period than anything else. I really enjoy everyones different interpretation of the ship. This one is also very unique. Alain, welcome and we look forward to your updates. Looking good!
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Thanks for your kind comments. There is no information on L'Unité and her 5 sister-ships. The plans draught by Pierre-Alexandre Forfait, one of the best French naval architect of that time are lost. The Surprise was refitted according to the specs of Perseverance Class frigates revived at the very end of 18th century. There's no doubt. I compared John Marshall's plan with the NMM's model illustrated in The Sailing Frigate by Robert Gardiner. My model is the Surprise in 1800. Wounded at Puerto Cabello during the cutting out of the mutinied frigate Hermione, Capt. Edward Hamilton is back to England. The Surprise is rearmed with 9 pounders on the gun deck, 4 pounders and carronades on the forecastle and quarterdeck. The flag is the British Red Ensign (1707-1800). I'll hoist the commissionning pennant at the top of main mast. And now, a few other pics at reduced size as requested.    Forecastle. Rectangular ports for carronades, square port for the 4 pounder chaser.  Decorative rails. 
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Nice work Alain, well done
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 Top work on her Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Very nice work  I particularly like the 'tiles' you've done at the rear of the deck
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Me and wood do not seem to get along, but I do enjoy watching the skill and the craftsmanship that goes into one of these builds and this is going to be a stunner. Very nice work indeed!
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menu of the day: Chestrees. The sheave is a brass gun wheel reduced to 1 mm.    Scuppers made in a thin tin foil rolled around a mini-file, pushed into the hole and glued (CA glue).  and the fife rail. Nails in 0.5 mm brass thread hammered into pre-drilled holes. 
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Very impressive work Alain, looks fabulous..... Regards Alan
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Very nice update Alain. Your doing an excellent job on her. Chris On the bench 1/350 Revell Tirpitz Platinum Edition (Pontos PE and Wooden deck) plus extra Eduard PE set and extra MK1 door sets.
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Here is my figurehead. Material: Historex figure (Historex is distributed in UK) Two-components epoxy putty Tin foil Acrylic paint. The Surprise had no anthropomorphic figurehead but a poor escutcheon. I do prefer the Athena of the replica. I chose Lady Godiva figure for two reasons. She is naked and, as she rides, with the legs apart. I adjusted the position of the legs to the shape of the stem. The Historex figure at the very beginning of my work.  Athena's short war tunic and greek helmet are made in epoxy putty. As you know, after polymerisation, it can be carved, sanded, drilled and sculpted. Her glaive is a shortened straight dragoon sabre and her shield the round bottom of a Napoleonic drum. It is carved with Medusa's face with snakes instead of hair, an attribute of Athena. Sandals soles in epoxy putty, straps in tin. Then I applied an overall coat of white paint and when dry a topcoat of boxwood colour paint. URL=http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=317125S156.jpg]  [/URL]     The last two pics. My Surprise was exhibited at Château de Versailles during the European Heritage Days last september, as part of the temporary exhibition Navies and the War of Independence of America. Make-up (or faking  ): Hull painted in white to hide ebony sanding dust spots, stem held by two nails, figurehead glued with a drop of Loctite, shortened masts and bowsprit...Fortunately the visitors were not specialists.
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 The figure head looks brilliant, very nicely done Rgd Martyn Building ? Completed. Soliei Royal . Sovereign of the Seas . Virginia . Scotland . San Felipe . Corel vasa , Santisima Trinadad X section , Vasa Next Build ? When sailors have good wine, They think themselves in heaven for the time. John Baltharpe
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Awesome stuff Alain  I think the figurehead gives everyone a headache....nice work on it though, got to admit reading your last post had me reaching for the dictionary... There's no time like the present.....
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