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#21 Posted : 27 May 2014 18:06:57

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Very nice work in deed!!SmileThumpUp
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#22 Posted : 30 May 2014 17:51:29

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Wow nice work.
Great photos too.

Im about to attack the launch myself this week, Seeing your nice clear photos has been helpful !

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#23 Posted : 31 May 2014 14:28:55

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Hi Kym,

Many thanks for your kind comments.

Good luck with your launch. It's small in size, but a lot of fiddly work.

Regards,

Adam
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#24 Posted : 31 May 2014 14:55:43

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The planking of the launch is finished (for now).

After laying the first set of planks working toward the middle, with the remaining gap I decided to split it in half with a plank. This then left two fairly symmetrical tapered planks to lay in the gaps on either side. I used PVA glue for these last planks. Using superglue on such narrow tapered planks would have given me no margin for error.

On completion, the whole exterior of the hull was lightly sanded with 400 grit wet & dry paper. There is some minor "clinkering" of the planks at the bow, but its the same on both port & stbd sides so I will leave it as it is.

Looking forward to giving the eyes a break for a few days (but thank goodness for the person who invented magnifying desk lamps - it has been a saviour). I will be getting back to the main build and focus on laying the lower deck pieces.

Regards,

Adam

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#25 Posted : 31 May 2014 15:39:40

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nice neat and tidy,well done.
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#26 Posted : 13 June 2014 15:50:53

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karl1113 wrote:
nice neat and tidy,well done.


G'day Karl.

Thanks for the comments.

Apologies for not responding earlier. I have been beavering away on the build after my slight hiccup that I raised in the Build Discussions section associated with sorting out my perceived problem that I may have had with the required level of the lower deck.

Regards,

Adam

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#27 Posted : 13 June 2014 16:42:30

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Hi Folks,

Thought it was time to update my build progress past week or two. No progress on the launch as the main effort was tied up with installing the lower deck and dummy gun support beams. The lower deck was fairly straight forward in the end. Minor panic attack in the beginning as I was uncertain whether the forward and mid-ship sections were supposed to be level as raised in the Build Discussion. Inserting the brass pin nails with a small hammer and centre punch so close to the ribs was a heart-in-mouth affair. Pre-drilling pilot holes with a smaller diameter drill bit certainly helped. I could only get within some 20mm in from the base of the rib. I don't have a pin pusher in my tool stash. This may be in my wish list along with an electric plank bender. Although I'm thinking that the plank bender will be taking priority fairly soon.

Installing the dummy gun support beams was a slow affair. The beams do not sit flush against the rib. This is also compounded by the required curvature of the outer rib profile as well as the degree of vertical twist required (especially with the forward sections. A liberal application of PVA glue, half a dozen small clamps and a good 24 hours whilst waiting for the glue to fully cure before removing the clamps and proceeding with installing the next support beam. I did find benefit in making a bevel on the inboard part of the beam that rests on the lower deck. The bevel was made by taping some sandpaper to the workbench and running the beam across the paper. Only needed to take off 1-2mm off the edge of the beam to ensure that there was sufficient surface contact with the lower deck.

Once the dummy gun support beams were fitted, I was not overly confident with their physical integrity for later in the build when there is a requirement to drill holes in the beams for the dummy cannons. Not sure on how much punishment the beams could endure, so I spent a few days in search of a solution. I went in search at the two major hardware stores to no avail. I could find dowel in various dimensions from 4mm upwards, but nothing square or rectangular in similar sizes. In the end I came across a packet of balsa bricks from a local retailer of fabric, craft and homemaker supplies. These were just about the size I felt happy with. A quick rub of the ends with sandpaper ensured that they sat snug up against the support beam. Secured in place with a good smear of PVA glue (just to be sure, to be sure). As an added bonus, placing two of the bricks on top of each other makes just about the right height to brace up the deck support strips that will go across the deck. Hopefully I can get that part finished over this weekend.

So, whilst falling behind a few weekly issues, steady and methodical progress that I am happy with has been made. Really looking forward to getting back onto the launch, but dreading the looming cloud mass on the horizon that is associated with planking.

You all have fun now.

Regards,

Adam
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Hi Adam. BigGrin

All looking very professional mate. Cool Cool

Keep up the great work. BigGrin

All of us Newbies are in trepidation of the coming planking so you're not on your own there. Laugh

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George
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Looking good Adam, some really fine work done there....Cool Cool .. Don't be overly concerned about the planking, just take your time and look at the tips and techniques available around the forum.... If you follow the instructions in the mag then you won't go far wrong.... Mr T's diary you will find is also a great help..... Keep going, will be following your progess.... Cool Cool

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Alan
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#30 Posted : 22 June 2014 07:23:08

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Hi Adam

Wow! Your ships' boat looks terrific, lovely neat planking. Makes mine look like a bunch of twigs in a barbeque. BigGrin BigGrin

Nice neat work on the hull too, did you sort out the problem of the step in the forward section of second deck?

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BigGrin Looking good AdamCool
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Hi folks,

Many thanks for your comments and encouragement.

The build continues at a gentle pace. An hour or so each evening is all I have to spare at the moment, but progress is being made none the less.

I have achieved separation of the launch from the jig. Some very tense moments whilst making the necessary notches in the rib frames with a pair of sprue cutters. Then very gentle use of the razor saw to complete the task. There was a definite euphoric yahoo when the launch came away from the jig in one piece. I have attached pictures of the launch straight after separation, hence the rough finished edges. Although designed to be used for plastic kits, the sprue cutters have a flat face that I found ideal for trimming away the excess rib material.

The launch ribs have been rounded and the keel glued into place. Although I may need to do some more light sanding of the fwd ribs so that the thwart support sits flush against the rib. I'll do a dry fit first and see how it goes.

Regards,

Adam
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Hi there,

Continuing on with the main ship build, I have done a dry fit of the middle deck pieces. In a few places the rib keyways required some enlarging in order to for the deck to slot into place. I'm not sure why this was the case, as there were no problems with the lower deck.Sad

There is a slight hiccup with the forward deck pieces. (Hopefully the pictures help with my explanation). The deck that sits on ribs 5, 6 & 7 is fairly flat when viewed side on, then I have a sudden step down to rib 13 (about a 2mm drop). I didn't really notice this when laying the lower deck. From what I understand there is supposed to be a gentle bow on the deck, but this does not seem to be that case for me at this stage.

The ribs are sitting all the way in the keel and the deck is sitting flush against the deck supports on each of the ribs. I'm thinking that I will need to put some thin strips on the deck supports at frames 5 & 6 to raise the deck slightly. This will be followed by taking some of the thickness out of the deck support at frame 7. This will achieve a gentle bow, but I am not too sure how this will affect the build later when it comes to laying the top deck. There are no dramas with the aft deck section so that is some relief at this stage.

Any suggestions on the way ahead are definitely appreciated.

Regards,

Adam
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Hi Adam, I recall there being a problem with rib 13 and page 2 of my diary shows exactly what the problem was.... As yours is already glued in place then I think another solution is necessary... If it were me I would not raise the deck at all on the supports on ribs 5 & 6, think by doing that you will only add to the problem.... I would bevel the inner edge of the deck support on rib 7 and possibly a little on rib 6 all along the full length of the supports, ie bevel the edges that face rib 13. Bevel enough to give you that gentle slope from the bow to rib 13... You should be ok regarding the strength of the decks afterwards as you have added the additional supports... .. Just a suggestion for you to consider..... Good luck with her... Cool Cool

Regards

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Hi Adam, I recall there being a problem with rib 13 and page 2 of my diary shows exactly what the problem was.... As yours is already glued in place then I think another solution is necessary... If it were me I would not raise the deck at all on the supports on ribs 5 & 6, think by doing that you will only add to the problem.... I would bevel the inner edge of the deck support on rib 6 and possibly a little on rib 5 all along the full length of the supports, ie bevel the edges that face rib 13. Bevel enough to give you that gentle slope from the bow to rib 13... You should be ok regarding the strength of the decks afterwards as you have added the additional supports... .. Just a suggestion for you to consider..... Good luck with her... Cool Cool

Regards

Alan


Hi Alan,

Very many thanks for your help. I've just read your diary and my problematic rib 13 is not quite the same as yours. Prior to commencing my build I read previous posts about the rib 13 and its offset shape that were being experienced by other builders. So I checked and rechecked this rib (and all others) prior to assembling them. No problems were identified at that time. So I plodded along thinking all was well.

I was thinking that I may need to bevel the aft edges of the deck supports. I was considering this as one of the leading options (short of a painstaking disassembly that I definitely was not looking forward to and I was keeping that as an absolute last resort). So thanks again for your assistance.

Regards,

Adam
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Hi Adam. BigGrin

First your launch looking really good mate. Cool Cool

Sorry to see you ran into problem regards rib beams causing that jump up.

I'm sure that Alan's suggestion will soon rectify the problem re beveling so you get a very slight slope down to that join from the bow. BigGrin

Otherwise a really nice looking job overall. Cool

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Sorry Adam, my post should have read bevelling ribs 7 and possibly a little of rib 6... not ribs 6 & 5. Have amended the post... Should have double checked what I had written... apologies....

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Alan
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Sorry Adam, my post should have read bevelling ribs 7 and possibly a little of rib 6... not ribs 6 & 5. Have amended the post... Should have double checked what I had written... apologies....

Regards

Alan


Alan,

No dramas. I had the general gist. Putting a bevel on the deck supports at rib 7 was a given as well as a slight bevel on the rib 6 support. I will leave rib 5 support as is. Thanks again for your reply and coming to the rescue.ThumpUp

Regards,

Adam
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Hi there,

Continuing on with the main ship build, I have done a dry fit of the middle deck pieces. In a few places the rib keyways required some enlarging in order to for the deck to slot into place. I'm not sure why this was the case, as there were no problems with the lower deck.Sad

There is a slight hiccup with the forward deck pieces. (Hopefully the pictures help with my explanation). The deck that sits on ribs 5, 6 & 7 is fairly flat when viewed side on, then I have a sudden step down to rib 13 (about a 2mm drop). I didn't really notice this when laying the lower deck. From what I understand there is supposed to be a gentle bow on the deck, but this does not seem to be that case for me at this stage.

The ribs are sitting all the way in the keel and the deck is sitting flush against the deck supports on each of the ribs. I'm thinking that I will need to put some thin strips on the deck supports at frames 5 & 6 to raise the deck slightly. This will be followed by taking some of the thickness out of the deck support at frame 7. This will achieve a gentle bow, but I am not too sure how this will affect the build later when it comes to laying the top deck. There are no dramas with the aft deck section so that is some relief at this stage.

Any suggestions on the way ahead are definitely appreciated.

Regards,

Adam



Adam, I had the same problem with my build. It is a manufacturing fault. It will indeed interfere with future fixtures and gun ports. You need to fix it now. Loosen the ribs and level all deck plates lay flush with each other. I recommend you re-order the faulty parts before proceeding with your build. (Did you fit the cross over deck supports underneath the the deck plates?)
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#40 Posted : 25 June 2014 07:17:55

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Marcel,

Thanks for your reply. Hmmmm, now it appears that I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. Unsure I'm not sure what faulty parts need to be re-ordered and at what additional damage to the hip pocket for an apparent manufacturing fault. Also, I have no guarantee that for any additional replacement parts ordered that they will not have the same manufacturing defect. I was ather hoping that I can engineer out a solution with the parts that I have available so far.

The middle deck support beams have been fitted and glued into place (just finished doing this last night). I was also going to install some rib support blocks at the rib / keel joints to beef up the ribs in preparation for fairing prior to planking, but I put this task on hold at the last minute. Just as well I didn't proceed with that.

I'm thinking that any disassembly I need to peform on the fwd deck section is going to entail some significant surgery. I have the gun support beam for the fwd deck section well and trully glued in place.

The more I look at it, I'm thinking that the most cost effective solution is to work out a way to lower rib 7 by 2mm. Your advice is greatfully appreciated and will be taken into consideration.

Decisions, decisions......

Regards,

Adam
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