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#61 Posted : 25 August 2013 22:26:39

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Hi Marcel
I see what you are referring to now.There was an issue that got mentioned in build discussions many months ago called hull profile.There is a dip in the bulkheads around nos 26+27 which causes that inward shape.Alot of builders either packed the bulkheads or applied filler to this area after first planking.If you deviate to much in this area by removing material from the last bulkhead it may cause some grief when you come to fit the galleries.If you look at the hull profile post,this may make things a little clearer.
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#62 Posted : 25 August 2013 23:04:26

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Hi Marcel, as Nigel has said it is far better to add packing to the rib formers using planking strips... It is something I wish I had done as in the end I had to resort to filling after the planking. As you haven't planked that area yet the packing out is you best option, don't go altering the ribs themselves as that could be a recipe for disaster.... Good luck with her.... Cool Cool

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#63 Posted : 26 August 2013 08:55:08

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Thanks Alan and Nigel for the great help.Cool

I looked at the posts and agree rib 26 needs to be packed. Do I pack the complete sides of rib 26 or only partially where the dip is?Huh

I hope Kobus also picked it up, since he is also at the same stage!
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#64 Posted : 26 August 2013 10:05:50

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Hi Marcel.
Pack out with some of the spare thin strips supplied with the launch.
These are 0.5 and 1mm.
Just check with a bamboo planking strip, to see what thickness you need to add. It will not be the same thickness down all of the rib.
I did this, then checked each bamboo plank as I fixed it, to check that the packing was still needed. Then I sanded the packing back to fair it, at the point where it was no longer needed.
Everyone's build will be slightly different but I needed packing only at the upper parts of the rib - the vertical section.
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#65 Posted : 26 August 2013 18:54:42

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Cool

Thanks Capt David and all members for the advice. I went through a couple of diaries to get a good idea what to do to rectify the profile.

Without your help, I'll probably would end up using bodyfiller LOL (only joking).

I packed the ribs dry and the profile turns out to be realistic and smooths out to the end of the stern.
The underside of the gallery automaticaly came in line with the side planks.BigGrin
I'll update with photos of the process.ThumpUp
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#66 Posted : 28 August 2013 08:36:20

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Packing the ribs and glued

After steaming the bamboo and bending it, I fitted it dry in place and left for a day to rest. It took the rib's profile very well.

I used 4 (2x4mm) bamboo and carefully sanded it down to a 1.5 mm thickness with fine grain sanding paper... a process that went rather quick.Cool
Blink I gauge the thickness with an electronic caliper.

This strips is now to be glued onto rib #26 and #27 and left for a day to dry completely. When ready, the new strips are to be futher carefully sanded down to take the profile of the hull and then shamfered for the planking to sits close and tight.

The picture shows a strip glued and the other strip posed dry fitted to show the steamed method.
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SOTS Packing ribs.jpg
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#67 Posted : 28 August 2013 11:47:22

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Nice work MarcelCool It may have been a little setback,but this will save messing with filler laterBigGrin
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#68 Posted : 28 August 2013 23:18:54

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Well done Marcel, should work out very nicely for you now.... Cool Cool

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#69 Posted : 29 August 2013 11:31:30

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Thanks Alan and Nigel for the advice and support and also other members of the forum who make this build become a reality.

I find the contouring of the packed ribs very time consuming. At least I am very satisfied with the results so far. That nasty ditch seems to be gone. I plan to be back on schedule by the week-end. The wet weather will keep me indoors, which makes plenty time of playing.Cool

I am to re-glue the planks which should be finish by Saturday. Its a slow process due to the cold weather that keeps me under the blankets away from the SOTS... (Brrr)
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#70 Posted : 30 August 2013 06:33:11

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I have done the planking of the underside gallery. I use the side planks to gauge the contour of rib #27.

To plank the underside Gallerry, I used 4x5mm planks (5mm bamboo cut to 4 mm) to get a closer fit into the bottom round profile of brackets #30. The 5mm planks do not sit well into the roundness of the bootom brackets.

By doing this, I do not have to cut fillers.I end up using 13 planks which of some measure 5.5mm; 5mm and 4mm. I mentioned that I do have a mixed supply of 5mm and 5.5mm bamboo. It came in handy for those awkward spaces.

Angry Mad Crying My 0.3mm bit broke leaving me bored again. I tried to nail the plank without drilling, but its everybody's bussines
that the bamboo did splitAngry (F@#%K). Off I go to do some...
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Under gallery 4  shaped .jpg
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#71 Posted : 30 August 2013 22:49:29

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Nicely done Marcel, looks as if the stern will sand down very nicely.... Cool Cool .. As for your broken drill, I snipped the head off of a dressmakers pin, inserted than into the dremel and used that to drill the holes for my deck planking... find the pin is stronger than the micro drills, perhaps you could give this a try...Cool Cool .. Well done on the stern...Cool Cool

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#72 Posted : 31 August 2013 07:33:29

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Cool
Hi Alan
Thanks for the support and guidance. I did try the pin, but its a pain as I do not own a Dremmel. I use an adapter and turns it by hand.
I use Somta Cobolt steel bits and take the abuse well. At R40,00 a piece ($3.35 or 3.50 GBP) it should be good.

I wish to get to the planking of the keel section, but patience is a virtue. Its one plank at a time when its time... I am getting better by the day as I invent new methods to my madness, some good, most of them rubbish. We had snowfall on the famous Table Mountain, therefore freezing my Blushing Blushing .
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#73 Posted : 31 August 2013 10:09:29

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Know how you feel Marcel, living here in the north of Scotland we are very used to the freezing conditions...Crying Crying Crying .. That's the main reason I do my building indoors rather than in a garage or shed....LOL LOL .. Am sure it will warm up soon for you....

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Hi Marcel,

Coming along nicely.

I have lost many drill bits doing the planking, but found some of the broken ones still drill and last longerConfused !!!

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#75 Posted : 31 August 2013 15:07:07

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Hi Marcel

Planking looks great thus far!BigGrin I'm in your valley and is freezing my but off, but enjoying it! Will be here for the next week, thus no building for me till we get home again. So keep them posting so that I can see what is waiting for me!

Must say that a 0.5 mm drillbit with the Dremmel works great!

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#76 Posted : 01 September 2013 08:52:18

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Thank you for your kind remarks guys. Planking is in slow mode. At least I am at Issue 19 now. I had a hick up (again) with the spacers and busy to sand it to profile.

When all is done I'll post pics to view of my progress.
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#77 Posted : 01 September 2013 16:16:37

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With some tweaking, I manage to get a few planks done. The backfilling does not make it easy to plank, as I have to watch every plank careful that it sits well with the new profile. Although its time consuming, its worthwhile doing it as prescribed by my teachers.BigGrin

I have removed the hull from the jig... (Thank goodness)Huh to start on the Garboard planks. This should be an easier task, because I did not put the back filler all the way on the offending ribs.

The minor flawsBlushing in the planking can be rectified with woodfiller and sealer. I came across a cleaner cloth damp with alcohol. Apperantly it removes the residue left by the glue line. I want to give it a try.

I followed the deck plate strict when I laid the first row and graduately relaxing the strain of the wood-grain as I proceed to the next row. I am happy with the natural flow of the planksBlink .
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#78 Posted : 01 September 2013 16:23:21

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Hi Marcel

The planking looks great!!!BigGrin

Wouldn't the alcohol also loosen the glue between the planks?Confused

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#79 Posted : 01 September 2013 17:30:11

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Marcel your Isopropyl cleaning cloth is essential rubbing alcohol. It is meant for use on hard surfaces when used as a cleaner.

I would not recommend anybody using this on their models. it may react with your adhesives and interfere with painting.

Always best to use products aimed at model building if your not familiar with the properties of other products.

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#80 Posted : 01 September 2013 19:11:01

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Hi Marcel
Kobus and Jase are correct.Isopropyl alcohol is what you use to separate joints glued fast with wood glue.It is the business to take things apart so beware.
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