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turboman
#1 Posted : 19 August 2010 19:09:16

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hi all can anyone tell me if the upper deck canon wall has to be at a angle with the ribs or does it sit straight
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#2 Posted : 19 August 2010 21:36:53

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Presume you mean the middle deck gun support rails, they sit upright/vertical.
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#3 Posted : 19 August 2010 22:37:33

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Hi Turboman
I had to think about this problem too. The answer is in the shape of the frames.
If you have a look at my attachment diagram you can see that the beams on the lower gun deck are positioned against the flat surface of the frame.
the problem arises with the curvature of the hull (which I have over-emphasized in the diagram to accentuate it).
The mid-deck (if that's what it's called - I'm probably incorrect on that but anyway, I hope you get the gist) beam is a tight fit betwen the deck and the underside of the supports for the next deck above it, so if I'm right, the beam should end up vertical as with the beam on the lower deck
Hope this helps you out and sorry about the sketch, I'm not too good at drawingBigGrin
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#4 Posted : 19 August 2010 22:41:17

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#5 Posted : 19 August 2010 22:45:13

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Sorry Turboman,
The attachment i wanted to send doesn't seem to be working. I do apologise and hope that the explanation will suffice if you check it out with your build.
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#6 Posted : 19 August 2010 22:53:27

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#7 Posted : 19 August 2010 22:55:12

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thanks for the replys still not sure though tomick says it sits upright but then you have a gap between the rib
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#8 Posted : 19 August 2010 23:08:03

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Hi turboman
Really sorry I couldn't get that drwing to you but if you have a look at Tomick's build log parts 16-20, you'll see some excellent photos near the bottom of the page which show the way the beams lay in relation to the frames and deck
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#9 Posted : 20 August 2010 10:41:55

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Hi turboman
hope I,m not to late with this reply i tend to agree with you if you put the beam in straight there is a gap at the bottom due to the angle of the ribihave dry fitted it and it does not look right I would have thought taht it should have had a slight bevel on the bottm and top sides to fit flush with the rib as any one else any ideas
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#10 Posted : 21 August 2010 01:28:20

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hi yorkie boy am still waiting for som answers before i continue
still dont look right tomick said to sit upright but still waiting to here from
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#11 Posted : 21 August 2010 01:35:17

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I had to cut mine quite a bit so they were not as tall to allow them to fit into place; I believe they sit vertical, but if its the same as mine, once cut to fit the gap is relatively small. If you think in the long run, when the hull is planked and the inside is completely dark, you wont notice the gap anyway
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#12 Posted : 21 August 2010 01:40:32

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thanks thomas i wont trim mine yet see if we get a few more replys
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Hi Guys,
With regard to the Middle Deck Gun Support, if you bevel the bottom edge in order to fit flush to the rib you will find that when the dummy cannon are fitted they will be pointing skyward.
I have made small spacers to fit the space between the support and rib bottom in order that the support is braced firmley, it also makes for a better curve.
You can if you wish use filler to fill the gap before painting but as you will not be able to see much once the hull is complete it is not really neccessary.
This is only my opinion but maybe it helps.
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#14 Posted : 21 August 2010 01:50:58

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hi cmb will try and post a few pics tomorow to see if you have the same problem
it sure dont look right mike turpin might have the answer
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do not worry,do as tomic say's,by the time you cut out the gunport,and painted inside black you won't see anything,as for filling the gaps,well if you have time on your hands go for it,I suspect by the time you've finished filling,the victory will weigh a ton.
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The gun deck support walls should be vertical, offer the wood up to where it is supposed to sit up to the ribs if there is a gap between the gun deck support and the deck, taper each end at the bottom until the gun deck wall fits snugly with the deck itself, that is what I have done...it is a case of trial fitting and shaving the wood off as necessary...Wink
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turboman wrote:
hi cmb will try and post a few pics tomorow to see if you have the same problem
it sure dont look right mike turpin might have the answer
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Like I said before, the middle deck beam is intended to sit upright as shown in the magazine, the purpose of the middle deck beam is for the mounting of dummy gun barrels, any gap between frame and beam because of frame curve won't be seen once paintd on the inside and planked on the outside, having said that, there is no reason why you cannot shape the middle deck suport beams for an angled fit to suit the frame curve, but you'll need to ensure dummy barrel mount holes are drilled perfectly parallel.

Those thinking of adding full canon kits to the middle deck should omit the middle deck beams, deck the entire middle deck and have to hand built guns ready to install before the next deck is located (upper deck), though the middle deck gun ports will need to have been cut beforehand.
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Your info is a saviour but your last post hasn't sunk in. If I want a full gun deck I omit what? Sorry perhaps this enquiry should go somewhere else.
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#19 Posted : 27 August 2010 11:49:29

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ArtfulBodger wrote:
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Your info is a saviour but your last post hasn't sunk in. If I want a full gun deck I omit what? Sorry perhaps this enquiry should go somewhere else.


You know the long planks that you would have to bend and nail to the ribs, the ones we been painting black, you would leave them off the ship to be able to fit a full cannon.
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ArtfulBodger wrote:
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Your info is a saviour but your last post hasn't sunk in. If I want a full gun deck I omit what? Sorry perhaps this enquiry should go somewhere else.


If you want a full compliment of guns on the middle gun deck you need to omit the gun deck support beams supplied within issues 18/19 (4 in total), but you won't be able to place these gun kits until the middle deck gun ports are cut at issue 27, and you'll also not be able to locate the upperdeck until you've completed your intended content of the middle deck, presumably you have to hand the of gun kits needed as full gun kits are not being supplied for the middle deck.

Further gun barrel supports are added to the middle gun deck rails deck in 27, which in your case should be omitted.
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