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#81 Posted : 12 August 2011 20:14:34

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hi john..well being a decorator i may be able to help..danish oil needs to be applied and wiped off after a minute or so after its soaked in to what the surface allows it to, otherwise you will get an uneven finish but wipe off with a lint free cloth until all surface oil is gone..stained wood can take a danish oil as a sealer to that area..you can also add stain to the oil to darken it and it gives a nice finish to the decks (spirit based stains)..test this on a few glued togeather planks until you get your chosen deck colour,and put in a jar so that will be your deck stain, half a jam jar will be enough..once you have your coloured oil take some out of your jar and thin 50% with spirit..next coat 75% oil 25% spirit and finally neat oil but remember wipe off all oil on the surface and when its dry it gives a nice satin finish..hope this helps
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#82 Posted : 12 August 2011 22:16:58

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Brilliant Benny, thank you.

However if does seem harder to find a spirit based stain these days, they all appear to be water based.

John
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#83 Posted : 16 August 2011 23:16:03

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your right..i am lucky coz i av a stock but try a google search..if not stain ur deck first and then follow my steps on the oil
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#84 Posted : 18 September 2011 08:21:49

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Time for an update. Still planking but weather here's been hot so taking advantage of lazing around a bit.

Have completed the first stage of the hull (12 rows) and on to the middle section before completing the last 10 or so. Should be a bit easier now though.

Also did the garboard planks which I found difficult to follow in the mag and on the forum, so perhaps a tip or two for those following on behind.


I am not using nails so the first two planks were held on with a block of wood and a can of paint. It was a nice change to do something straightforward.


The bow plank was where I became confused. The instructions said don't follow the hull but run straight off. Fair enough but what then? Cut the plank at that point?That wasn't right.


So I was playing around a bit I noticed that the plank did not lay flat at this point because the ribs fell away. So when I pressed the plank onto the fillet it naturally curved and then went around, straight across the false keel. It was clear then what should happen. Glued it up and started on the stern.

This is the port garboard plank bearing off to statboard.


Because I am not using nails I need to put the twist into the planks before gluing. The method I use is to put the planks into a Thermos flask filled with boiling water, over night. Then next day, run them through the steam in the spout of a boiling kettle. This softens them perfectly. Fit onto the keel, clamp and leave for a day to dry out and take shape. They are then ready for glueing and securing.


I tend to glue in sections so the stern just needs finishing off. Then all done and ready for the second bow plank.


Not at all pleased with the way the stern turned and I now know how to do it better but I am not ripping it apart now otherwise I will go another year behind. I will have to save the learning for the next build


Because the plank runs across the false keel it can be trimmed on the inside edge to lay so that it overlaps the false keel by about 1mm. The second bow plank was trickier because it wanted to run over the first so it needed an initial trim before glueing and then trimming properly.

Hope this is useful for those at this point. As always, if the experts here think that any of this is wrong then please let me know. Happy days.

John
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#85 Posted : 18 September 2011 11:42:31

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No changes needed as far as I can see gardboard planks look spot on!Cool Good stuff JohnBigGrin
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#86 Posted : 19 September 2011 10:50:58

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#87 Posted : 21 September 2011 09:29:32

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A question for shipmates who are more or less up-to-date. As you can see I have a fair bit of planking still to do and I am going back to the UK in 2 weeks until January so in limbo until then.

Work on the hull and decks seems to go all the way up to issue 60 and then stops. Issue 61 starts on the mast. Is there any reason not to make a start on the mast now and work in parallel on both or should I be patient and wait?

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#88 Posted : 21 September 2011 10:09:44

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Hi John, as the masts and spars are separate there is no reason to stop you doing these as a new project on its own. if you look at tomicks official build from 61 onwards (i am on 68) it is a large project itself

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#89 Posted : 21 September 2011 15:32:06

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Hi John! Cool

As long as you have a safe place to store the completed masts and yards there is no problem taking a break from planking so you can do these parts. After all even your shipmates that are up to date with the issues have to store them until later.

Planking can drag on a bit, so it's nice to do something different to do every now and again.
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#90 Posted : 23 September 2011 13:30:08

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#91 Posted : 02 October 2011 08:15:26

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So off back to the UK and the work comes to a halt until January. The problem of course, in starting the Mast was that the planking then slowed down, hey ho.



I thought being so far behind that all the problems would be solved but I still managed to drill the holes in the wrong thanks to the instructions being incorrect. Tom has updated the Official Build now so always make sure you read this first. The final 1.5mm holes needs to be beyond the cross tree but because of the curve of the frame it will need to be slightly off line with the the other holes. It was on mine anyway.



Having shaped the mast I couldn't resit trying out the pieces together and it was a wonderful feeling just seeing this small advance. She truly is a beautiful ship.

At this rate the project will take me over 4 years, what wonderful value for money from DeAg.

John
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#92 Posted : 02 October 2011 09:51:50

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Well done mate, looking real good...I too am well behind, and not got around to the masts as yet, I have not exactly been following the mag, but working on bits and pieces that are further on in the build just for a change? but steady as she goes, we'll get there in the end...keep the pictures coming...
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#93 Posted : 02 October 2011 10:41:08

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Well done John, hard slogg has been done and onwards & upwards, look forward to seeing you get back to it Cool
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#94 Posted : 02 October 2011 17:39:10

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The build will really start to take shape now, the hull planking can become quite tedious, but once that is done the rest of the build introduces new elements,in most issues.
As you stated in your last update it may take four years, but then again whats the rush, and if a bit of kit bashing is needed there will be plenty of examples to take inspiration from.
Keep the updates coming.
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#95 Posted : 04 October 2011 10:08:52

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Thanks Tom and Steve. Johnny, I have been following your great build too, I think we may well finish together. Drinks will be called for on that day.

John
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#96 Posted : 04 October 2011 17:08:11

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Great build JohnCool BigGrin
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#97 Posted : 04 October 2011 19:48:39

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lookin good there..no need to rush build at your own pace..i got worried when i was gettin behind and rushed a few things and i needed to redo so learnt the hard way..well done
cheers benny
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#98 Posted : 04 October 2011 20:08:27

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Spot on with your comments Benny ...... Take your time build at your own speed , But most of all enjoy your build . DONT move on to the next stage untill your are happy with the parts you are working with .

Best wishes and Great building

Mald Drool BigGrin
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#99 Posted : 20 December 2011 10:28:44

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One more week and I'll be back with my gorgeous lady (the other one of course). I must say I've missed sticking my fingers together with super glue and dropping the craft-knife onto my foot but not long now 'till I'll be bothering you all with inane questions once again.

Having said that, seeing the build diaries on the forum these past few months has kept me going so not all doom and gloom.

Happy holidays to you all and thanks again for the real privilege of getting to share a bit of your lives.

John
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All the very best to you and your's John! Cool
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