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Ideas for Coppering the Hull Options
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#1 Posted : 17 July 2010 13:53:39

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I know we have a sticky regarding this but thought maybe I could add another with suggestions from other members to add to.
I started the build called the Syren some years back, it was developed by a guy called Chuck from MSW, he made some excellent step by step guides and have since asked his permission to use the coppering pdf, he agreed.

thanks to Chuck for these, they are intended as another idea and by no means the only way, it works well for the Syren, but you have to decide if it will work for a bigger ship as our Victory.

Please add to this thread if you have any more possible ways of doing the coppering.







Some web sites with tutorials
http://translate.google....n&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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#2 Posted : 17 July 2010 14:47:53

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Hi Colin

That's an ingenious solution. I would just like to point out that at the time of Trafalgar the practice was to rivet around the edge of each plate without any in the middle. Later on to minimise damage after a collision the plates have extra rivets. But I don't see why the method you describe shouldn't be used for edge riveting.

My only other question is whether you can get sufficient nails in the block for each side.

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#3 Posted : 17 July 2010 15:07:51

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Of course Mike, getting the scale right would be an issue, but until we know what, when and how, the idea is there.

I like the idea on the link I've added, using tape rather than single units.

That's the fun in this hobby is finding many various methods in achieving the result to the individual modeller.
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#4 Posted : 17 July 2010 15:53:23

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Many thanks Colin,the method showing the use of copper foil was of use to me already.As I am using the Thermopylae as a practice piece I am doing things my way,they specify varnish finish & dark brown upperworks,I have found out she was green upper hull & copper bottomed so that is what I am going to do.
When I read your link I went looking & found this place that does copper foil up to 1/2" wide,various other widths as well.A roll of 1/2" x 36 yards is £12.69 + pp.
I have ordered 3/16" wide(again 36 yards)for grand sum of £4.89 as this is nearest to scale I could work out.

http://www.tempsfordstai...d_Edco_copper_foil.html

PS Must say it's nice to see somewhere that uses English for it's dimensions!!
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#5 Posted : 17 July 2010 16:08:27

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Nice one Colin.
Good find.

Think it may stretch my patience a littleBigGrin
But I may give it a go.
At the moment I am constructing some block & tackles for my cannons including the hooks, which I made from some eye pins from Corwall Models. So if I succeed with that the coppering should (hopefully) be a dodleDrool

Bob

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here is an article on MSW regarding copper plating and the use of...

http://modelshipworld.co...er=asc&&start=0

Apparently I've read somewhere that the individual plates would be over-scaled in the thickness side, tape on the other hand would be better, a lot thinner.

This could be another little test mock-up coming along.BigGrin


http://www.historicships...Sheathing/HullCopper.htm
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I would like to ask for your support in suggesting Colin as our official build researcher, perhaps to be sponsored in the same way as Tomick by Admin. I think his contribution is amazing!
Well done old bean, again I live in ore.
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Artfull, I'm gobsmaked you even thought of thinking that, and to be honest I'm shocked and pleased at the same time that you appreciate, and I'm sure all here do anything I may find useful to myself which I'll pass along for debate.

But I don't think that's a position I would like, not at the moment at least, given that I'm struggling to even get in my tin shed to do some modelling due to work and family issues.

I will however continue to post anything that I find interesting or could make the job in hand a lot easier, planking, rigging ect.

Lets not forget as I'm sure you havnt that even the smallest amount of advice or hints and tips that have been thrown around this growing band of merry folk contribute to the bigger picture. I will and continue to still ask question's in the lines of 'how do I do this part' dont forget I still have my Bounty rigging to finish and that is still my first ever ship model, so I'm still a virgin rigger..so to speak.

Once again Artfull, thank you for the kind offer and support.
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ArtfulBodger wrote:
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I would like to ask for your support in suggesting Colin as our official build researcher, perhaps to be sponsored in the same way as Tomick by Admin. I think his contribution is amazing!
Well done old bean, again I live in ore.


Got my vote.

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#10 Posted : 18 July 2010 16:27:15

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Here is the copper pattern taken from HMS Victory (sorry about my images, not good with a pc)



Here is the set out of rivets and plating size, unfortunately Im not good with scaling, so these are the original sizes for HMS Victory, taken from the book - HMS Victory, Her construction, Career and restoration by Alan McGowan, there is a fantastic outboard profile : Copper sheathing on page 140-141



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#11 Posted : 18 July 2010 16:33:03

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You know I wonder if in keeping with scale the rivets would just need to be so small you wouldn't be able to see them?

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I agree, Im just going to do a sample when the hull is completed, and go with whaterer looks good.
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